396. Old Bourbon is the Name of This Game

Welcome to another great episode of The Bourbon Road with your host, Jim O'Brien, where they talk bourbon and of course, drink bourbon. Grab yourself a pour, kick back, and enjoy another trip down the Bourbon Road.

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It might have been. I don't know. I don't know. It was a good excuse though. Yeah.

Well, today we are going to explore whiskies that have the word old in the name. Yeah. We're going to get old with the Bourbon Road. Get old with the Bourbon Road. Yeah. And in addition to the ones we're actually going to have on the show today, and Todd's kind of put together a pretty good collection of whiskeys that we're going to taste through. But we are going to talk about additional whiskeys that have it in the name. And I'm sure all of our listeners have a lot of those in their mind already. But I tell you, as we were digging for those bottles, I was coming across all kinds of stuff with old in it. I think we rattled off like somewhere between 20 and 30, easy. I know it. And Rob had made such great preparations to come on the show today. But like I said, he had something that came up and he had to take care of it. But he did take a picture of his lineup. And it's quite something. And we might even post that. He's got probably 20 bottles of his own that he pulled out of the Rare Eagle bar. Yeah, even had an old rip. Yeah, even had an old rip.

Yeah. That's right. Don't see those very often. Yeah. Not all of us have one of those, do we? No, I do not.

All right.

Well, you've got kind of a story set out for us today. You're going to take us through this exploration of four whiskeys with the word old in them. And I'm going to say, I'm just going to take a stab at it and say, pretty good chance our listeners have not had these. I would say,

that some have had probably, well, probably have had poor two. We won't spoil that. And there's some may have lucked into having poor four and possibly a version of poor three. Probably this first pour is probably, unless they come see me soon or something, we can do it. But this one, yeah. So with this first one, I went very old. So this is a dusty that I have and yeah. Awesome. Well, let's, let's get into that first whiskey. Okay. So we did some homework on this one. It's kind of hard to tell how dusty bourbons are sometime. And this is an old Lewis Hunter and it's a six year. So. The Old Lewis Hunter was a distillery that was established in Lair, Kentucky, which is in Harrison County. Those of you that are from Kentucky, you think of Cynthia. I'm guessing Lair is a small area around that area and right next to Bourbon County. It was established in 1861. flourished back in those days for quite some time. But then in 1901, it was one of those that was bought up by the Whiskey Trust. And any of you folks out there have dug into the bourbon history. The Whiskey Trust was all about buying as many distilleries as they could. And they used some nefarious ways to do it and some not so nefarious ways to do it. But in some cases, they would buy the distillery and shut it down. because they already had plenty of stock and they were selling at lower prices. And that's one way they got some places to buy or let them buy it, because they would just lower their whiskey so low that the other producers couldn't keep up.

Forced them out of business. Yeah, pretty much.

That happens in a lot of industries. Yes, true, true. But this is one that they kept open for quite some time. And it didn't close again until obviously Prohibition. It was not one of those that distilled during that time. So it opened up back in the late thirties, kind of went through a period like they were behind the game because the ones that were open during Prohibition that were making them medicinal already had stock. This opened up, so basically starting from scratch again. So it took a while, but Seagrams ended up buying it sometime right before the World War, World War II, and kind of used it to make some of the high-proof spirits that are required to make munitions and And for, I guess, Jeeps.

So did Sacrums bring the brand in-house or did they buy a facility?

They bought the facility and they actually kept that open until 1974 is the date I saw was closed. When this episode comes out, I found a really neat site that has a bunch of pictures. There's some really, really neat, fairly intact ruins of this place. So I'll share some of those photos.

Is that kind of on the Ohio River near Cincinnati, but on the Kentucky side?

Like east of... You're going too far. Cynthia, you know, just past Georgetown. Oh, just past Georgetown. Okay. There's a couple of ways to determine bottle age on some Dustys. Sometimes it'll literally have it printed on there when it was distilled and bottled. This one, we looked at the bottom of the bottle and looking at that kind of gives us a 1974 vibe, but you looked up the tax strip and... It looks like 77 tax strip, but if they went out of business in 74, I mean, this one actually says it's made in Louisville, so maybe they moved the stock there. So it's very possible. It's a complicated thing.

But this is a dusty. This is something that we're going to get a little bit of a dusty nose on, I think. Yeah.

My goal here is to go through a lot of different kinds of old, I guess, is what I was looking for.

So this is an old that is in fact old. Yes. This is very old. This is old in terms of it was put in the bottles many years ago. 40 plus. Yes.

All right. Cheers. It's got that dusty nose though.

It does. Yeah. That's a nice color too. It's very clear. So this liquid survived being in the bottle for all these years.

86 proof. You'll see most of your dusties back then were 80 proof, 86. Some would jump up in the nineties and then, you know, your bottom bonds would be at a hundred. And it was rare to see anything during the sixties, seventies and eighties and, you know, go over a hundred. Oh, wow. Oh, I'm glad cause I literally fresh cracked this. So you, it's kind of a roll of the dice to see if you get something good.

Yeah. So the nose is, is kind of a non-assuming dusty nose. It's just kind of a good bourbon dusty bourbon nose, but the palette has got a fruity sweetness to it. It's almost like, uh, cherry and cherry and plums and like a cherry plum cake with butterscotch drizzle. Yeah, there you go. Oh, that's good. This is really good. I always wonder if it tasted like this back then. I know it probably did more or less taste this this way.

That's a really good bourbon. Maybe just a little fresher, I guess. Yeah, I mean.

I mean, this is survive. There's no doubt about it, but it does have the dusty nose, which tells me that it's oxidized a little bit.

What was funny is, um, Jim and I got to get together not too long ago and we had kind of a dusty share with some, some, um, some of the Frankfurt Bourbon Society members and a couple other, I guess, celebrities in the bourbon world. And, uh, If Freddie was there. Yeah, we opened up a lot of Dusty's were open that day and. We just had the O'Crow. It was a 1940 O'Crow that I brought. And I just brought to kind of show, but I'm like, hey, when in Rome, let's open it. So that one really surprised me. It did not have much of a dusty nose. It literally smelled like it was made yesterday.

It's all about storage, right? Yeah. How was it stored? Where was it stored? What temperature? How much light? Did the cap stay intact or the cork? That was a metal cap on that one actually, which is surprising. There were some amazing bourbons there that night and it was really good. Unfortunately, my Jim Beam did not survive. It was a little funky, but oh well.

If you've never had a Dusty, there's a lot of bars you can find a few now, especially in Kentucky and I know other states, it's kind of catching on.

Yeah, and if you own an old bottle of whiskey and you're not interested in opening it for whatever reason, let's say you've got it and you just feel like it's worth more than you're willing to crack, right? Some people feel that way, right? They get a bottle and they're like, yeah, I don't drink $200 bottles of whiskey or $300 or $400 bottles of whiskey. If I own a Dusty that's worth that much, on the market, I'm not going to crack it myself. I'll just cash in. It's legal in Kentucky to take that to any package store or bar and sell it person to business. As long as they have a license to sell by the drink or sell by the bottle, you can sell them legally your dusty bottle.

They are very good about knowing the law. It has to be sealed for one.

I do know that. It has to be sealed and they have to make a record of who they bought it from. Correct. That's a good way for you to unload a bottle legally in the state of Kentucky. You can't do it elsewhere. Just Kentucky has that law, I think.

Uh, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure the control States it's a no-go, but there could be, um, I mean, the, what's the, uh, the bar in Washington, DC. That's kind of known Jack Rose, Jack Rose. So it's kind of funny. You'll see like can ship to DC and Kentucky a lot of times. So I feel like DC is pretty lax on in DC.

Everything whiskey related is legal. It's pretty lax. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's the wild, wild west.

I know it's, which is odd. Yeah. Go figure, go figure. Go in there and make moonshine in DC or something. Right on the front lawn. This is a fantastic course. It's really good. I have to, I'm very proud. You hear horror stories of opening up some dusties and it's just a bit off. I've been pretty lucky. Knock on wood. Let's have a few more.

Now, this bottle was produced in the United States. It received an export label on it and it found its way to Italy. Italy. Into Milano, I think. But anyway, so this was a bottle that was eventually found its way onto the shelves in Italy. And, uh, it's got a sticker on the front that says 40 yards. We have no idea what a yard is. Y A R S. We tried Googling it, looked in Italian and Spanish and all the languages and it doesn't come up, but it's strategically paced over top of the six-year label.

Six-year age statement, yes. I'm going to make an offer. If anybody can find out what YARS is and post it on the Bourbon Roadie site, I will send them a pour of this. There you go. There you go.

Get to work, Roadies. You got homework.

40 YARS, four zero and then YARS, Y-A-R-S. Correct.

I don't know. I don't know what it is. I have no clue.

And we will go ahead and warn you. Google does not like you typing yards because it wants to make it years. It wants to correct you.

Maybe Siri knows. So the bottle was made in, produced in the United States, produced in Kentucky, shipped overseas to Italy or somewhere, imported into Italy to be put on a shelf over there with an import label. It does have a US tax stamp on it and it looks like it also has some sort of Italian tax stamp on it too.

So these seventies are kind of popular to find over in Europe and in other markets over there because, well, that was during the, you know, people weren't buying as much bourbon over here because, you know, the youth then were, I'm not drinking what my dad's drinking and I'm going to drink, you know, there was a big surge on the popularity of vodka and gin and tequila. So that's, you'll see a lot of, seventies and eighties stuff over there in Europe.

Well, I'm really enjoying this. I have never heard of Lewis Hunter before. And I, there's a lot of whiskey brands I've never heard of, particularly those that have ceased to produce.

I don't know. It makes you wonder who's still, I mean, someone owns that label. Be curious to know maybe, I mean, cause Sigram's got up, bought out by Shinley. So it's Shinley, whatever Shinley did with it. Yeah.

All I know is they used to make some pretty darn good whiskey. Yeah, this is a really good pour. So, other whiskies with the name old in it. Let's talk about Rise. Rise with the word old in it, okay? One that's been on the show recently I'll bring up, which I dearly love. is Old Maysfield Club. Oh, okay. Which is a 100% malted rye whiskey. Oh, it's just delightful. It's wonderful as far as I'm concerned.

I'm here to try that.

That's out of the old Pogue distillery. Okay.

That's their own distillate too?

I believe so. Okay. I can't attest to it, but I think it is.

Nice.

And it's not an overly aged whiskey. I think it's something that's probably in the four year range. It's a bonded whiskey. So it's obviously at least four years old, but I don't think it's much older.

And then let's see, otherwise old wise, you got Overholt, which spoiler alert, there may or may not be one of those in the second half. Um, Portrero.

Old Portrero, which is the original malted.

Yeah. Right out of California. Yeah. We actually kind of pre-poured a new one out of Pennsylvania called Liberty Pole. And, uh, it's called old Monongahela.

Yeah.

Rye whiskey, which is, um, that's, uh, the river there. And I guess that's the barley was grown in that river valley there. And, uh, it's making quite a comeback. You, I think if some of your listeners have been out in the, some stores lately, a overhauled actually dropped a Monongahela rye recently.

Wow. When the glass is empty, the nose is out of this world.

Maybe light poured too much in mine, but it's not a bad thing. I think I drank too fast actually. Love it. Love it. Love it. Yeah. Dusty's can be fun.

All right. Well, we talked a little bit about some other whiskeys that have the word old in them. Let me, let me look across Rob's lineup and see if he had any other Rye's in there that, um, so, uh, well. Old Forrester Rye. Old Forrester Rye. Classic Rye. Old Carter Rye. Old Carter Rye. Yes. Um, let's see.

Old scout does some ryes, right? It's not always just bourbon, right? Some of their picks.

They do American whiskeys and I think they do have a rye. Yeah.

And I think they, they still blend with their own stuff with the, um, MGP too. Yeah, I think so.

I think that's it for me. I can't come up with any other rye.

Oh, pepper.

Oh, pepper. Yeah, exactly.

Yes. Starting to really release their own bourbons and single, I've seen a lot of bourbon and rye single barrel picks and they have a decanter that just came out that's catching a lot of love from the whiskey nerds, if you will.

All right, folks. Well, if you've got some rise on your mind that we failed to mention, those with the word old in their name, feel free to post those in the roadies. We'd love to see some interactive conversation going on there. There's probably quite a few we missed, I'm sure. Yes.

I mean, I didn't even dive back into... Well, I dove back a little bit with this one, but You go back, uh, you know, during those 1920s, thirties, forties, just seems like every, everything they labeled had old on it. Yep.

Yep.

All right. So what, what do we have next? Uh, so our second pick is our second pour is a, uh, it's an old McBrayer Bowled and Bond. And it's from my friends at McBrayer Legacy Spirits. Um, it is a brand that has been around. for a long time, it started in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky, Judge William H. McBrayer built his distillery in 1847. So it goes way back. Again, this is one of those that the Whiskey Trust purchased and kept running for a while. And then they closed it at about 1916. So right before prohibition kind of really kicked into gear. So anyway, a good friend of mine, Bill McBrayer, he and his dad, Bill Sr., decided to revive this brand. So they got to work with Dr. Pat Heist and Shane Baker, and they had found a recipe, I believe E.H. Taylor's signature is on the paper. I think Judge McBray had sent the recipe for E.H. Taylor to look at and something like that. So they started making it in 2016 with Wilderness Trail. I think their first release was in 2021 and their first release was the Judge McBrayer bottle, the WH McBrayer, which is, it's actually a Bloody Butcher corn used in that. But what we're doing today is the bottle and bond. So it's obviously four years, 100 proof. And this one has a match bill of 70% yellow corn, 18 rye and 12 malted barley. And I want to say this one may, this one may have been distilled at Bardstown. Don't hold that to me. We'll have to get Bill on your show.

It's a, it's a very traditional looking bottle. The label's simple. Yeah.

If you look back at, um, some of the, it's, it's right off like, uh, yeah, what it used to look like, like probably right before prohibition. Cause I believe it shows up in, um, untouchables. Oh, really? Yeah. So if anybody flips up, watches that movie, I'm pretty sure that, uh, there's scenes where you'll see the old McBrayer like, yeah, bottle. Fantastic. Yeah. It's kind of fun to watch some of those old movies and see what, uh, see what whiskey shows up sometimes if you can catch it.

So a hundred proof, at least four years old, old McBrayer bourbon. Let's check it out. Cheers. Cheers. That's a really nice nose on it. It does. It's really soft, sweet. Soft and sweet. Exactly. You could tell there's a little more rye than just a little. So it's, it's got a little bit more of a kind of a, a rice scent on the nose. I won't say it's a muffiny or anything like that, but it definitely has that rye note to it.

Get that, that malted barley too. It's just a, like a hint of like honey.

Yeah. It's, it's really, really nice and soft. Yeah. I'll taste it. Going in. Wow, that really reminds me of something. It's a good pour. That is a good pour.

Sweet, like sweet candy. I'm trying to think of, again, the butterscotch themes kind of continue. There's a little bit of like a red hot, like just a little heat on the end.

Like a red hot. like three quarters of a red hot and one quarter of one of those little root beer candies. Kind of mix the two together.

But as far as I know, this is still available at a few places. If you go to McBrayerlegacyspirits.com, you can actually sign up for their club and they will let you know when they're going to drop. Some of their bottles, they actually just dropped the 2020 version, 2024 version of the WH McBrayer. And then I've also seen this available on sale box for those that can.

So do they actually ship their whiskies out?

They do. They. And then you could, you can either get it shipped directly to you if that's allowed, or if you're in like the Cincinnati area, they actually have their release party at revival spirits, which is a dusty bar, no less.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. And it's in Covington, Kentucky.

The non-controlled side of the river. Well, this is really good whiskey. Wow. This is your two for two now, Ton. This is really good. I'm not going to brag, but I think I'll probably be four for four today.

I bet you will.

Had you had this one before?

I have had the 2021 version. I do have a bottle of 2022 that I have not opened yet. I think this 2023 version is a knockout. I remember the 2021 version. It was nice, nothing overly complex, but this seems to, I mean, for a bottle to bond, this has got a lot, quite a bit going on. It's a nice pour.

It's really good. Do you happen to know the price on this bottle?

I do. It runs about 60, 65. Fair enough. Yeah.

And so they have distribution on in, in like the market at all.

Uh, I think they sell some at the revival place, which, um, is, like I said, is in Covington, Kentucky. So if you happen to be in that area, it's just a really neat place to stop at as well.

Um, where's that at exactly? Uh,

I don't know the exact- It's in Covington. It's really close to kind of like where everything's going on. Sort of the main street, main strata. Yeah. Braxton Brewing Company is like literally like a two minute walk from there. My good friend Brad Bonds is the man behind that. He procures some amazing stuff. And he also does this thing where he literally will have $5 vintage pours sometimes. Usually when bottles get really low, he will, all right, let's, I'm telling you, I've tried, went up there and I was like, it was like a kid in a candy store. Cause I mean, it was almost like five cent gum with this, but it's $5 pours of history. Wow.

Fantastic. One more time, the name of that place? Revival Vintage Spirits.

And they're opening a second one in Elizabetown, Kentucky. Oh, well.

Yeah. That's great.

Yeah. E-Town really needs something. Yes. Funny enough, I was just down there for a work conference and found a new place called the Bourbon Barrel Bar, I believe.

Yeah.

And really nice bar and some great pours. And fun thing they do is, I guess the bartenders get together and blend their own so you can buy I guess they take some stuff that's on the shelf and they make their own little blend.

Oh, that's pretty cool.

I did not try it, but I did try the wild turkey generations there. Fantastic. Fantastic pour.

Well, both of us have tried our hand at blending things together. Successfully, not successfully. A little bit of both for me.

Yeah. I've got a second place, a first place, and then knocked out in the first round. But it's fun.

Yeah. We often talk about, you take two great whiskeys and mix them together. You're not necessarily going to get a great whiskey. And you take two whiskeys that aren't so great and mix them together. And sometimes you get something.

Sometimes you get magic. Yeah.

Magic. It's funny how that works.

Yeah. It's all chemistry. Sort of. Kind of. Maybe Ashley Barnes would give us a class. Yeah.

Well, I definitely give this one a thumbs up at $60. If you can find this bottle on the, well, on the shelf or online, um, or you can just get a pour of it, you know, up in, up in Covington, then I would say do it pretty good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that is an old, old whiskey name. I know that Lawrenceburg has some very, um, very historic family names that were involved.

And that was one of those that was, you know, like they talk about the bourbon barons and McBrayer, Rippy, um, Saffol, um, the bond, uh, it's a bond. I've forgotten the fourth one, but yeah, that's pretty amazing stuff.

Yeah, there were some areas in Kentucky that had a tremendous legacy for whiskey making. Lawrenceburg is one of them, of course. Bardstown is another. And Frankfurt. Very close to Lawrenceburg, but Frankfurt. Midway. Midway. Yep. Yep. And Louisville.

Let's not forget Louisville. Oh yeah, definitely.

Definitely had some great brands come out of there as well. Definitely a big thumbs up on this one, though.

Glad you like.

All right. Let's talk about some middle and top shelf whiskies that are available out there that people can find that have the word old. Ones that we would recommend, Todd.

OK. Well, we already mentioned Carter. So that's probably, of all the olds, that might be the Highest priced old, like old Carter's usually run about 179, 200, I guess.

Yeah.

So it's a, it's a special bottle when you can find one special pour, uh, always, always really nice. I mean, they do a great job of blending those.

Uh, let's see.

Fitzgerald. Old Fitzgerald, bonded. Always a big release at Heaven Hill. I think this year's is a 13 year old, or no, 13 was last time. I think this one's a 10.

Always a great pour, always excited when you go into the gift shop there and they have it available.

Probably one of the prettiest bottles. If you can find it on the shelf, but if it was on the shelf, it's probably one of the prettiest bottles there are.

A lot of lamps have been made out of that bottle.

It is a true, pretty decanter. Old Elk. Old Elk. I would put in that probably $70, $80 range, I guess, and maybe a little higher on certain releases. Old Rip Van Winkle.

Although you can't hardly find them, I have been seeing them on the shelf more often now, which means that things are becoming a little more available, which is good. The prices are still too high for me, but they have come down, which is good.

I'm heading in the right direction. I think the funny thing about Oh Rip Van Winkle is it's the youngest. Right. It's the youngest of the Van Winkle bottles. Right. So because it's just Pappy Van Winkle for those 22 or 23s and 20s and, but the old one is the tenure.

Yeah.

Which, yeah, there's no determining what the, like how marketing, what the word old is.

Yeah, I think the word old is used to market things that aren't as old as they should be, or they could be. I think Old Rip Van Winkle at 10 years of age is just fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It's a good pour. And certainly, Old Elk is great whiskey. There's no doubt about that. Let's see. Let's look at Rob's here to see what else he had. He did have the Old Rip Van Winkle in his

Old soul, old soul is one that, um, I think it probably runs 60, 70. Old medley. Didn't Rob have one of those?

I think he had an old medley. Yep. He did a 12 year old, old medley. Uh, he also had, uh, an old William Tarr inheritance bottle.

Yes. No longer being made. So if you see that, that one is gone the way of the dodo. And the Augusta old route eight forgot about that one. Bardstown distill it, I think. I think so. Yeah.

And we'll, we'll sort of leave it at that. I think there's probably others again, folks, uh, middle and top shelf bourbons with the word old in them. If we missed a few, feel free to actually have one more.

Yeah. And that's, uh, It's released every once in a while. It's called OFC, which stands for old fashioned copper, or sometimes you'll see it old fired copper.

Old fired copper.

And those bottles retail for about 2,500. Yeah. I won't have one. And they are. I'm not sure the age on those. Um, they typically, I think they actually released some at Buffalo trace right before the Derby. And it was a 1995 bottling. So. Yeah. It's a, it's one of those that truly, I think most people would consider a trophy rather than their trophies.

Yeah. They're, they're super unicornish.

Although I get to, I did get to try in 1993 recently.

Did you? Yes.

Uh, one of our board members on the Frankfurt bourbon society. Um, she, her husband had amassed quite a collection and he passed away due to colon cancer. You may have heard us talk about Omar Marshall. So it was just becoming overwhelming for her. So she actually, her, her collections get ready to go on to auction through a very notable auction site. But when they looked at the OFC, I guess the seal was slightly. broke. So they actually opened it up and toasted because after they finished cataloging all the bottles, it's. Yeah, fantastic. Pretty amazing stuff.

Nice that you got to try that.

Yes, it was a good pour.

Yeah.

Would I pay that much money for it? Probably not.

So you guys drink to Omar?

Yes, we did at our board meeting.

All right, well, any final thoughts on this pour we just had?

Just a solid pour. I mean, it's a good pour. It does taste like barge down distillate to me. Could be wrong again. I'll have to check with Bill.

I said it reminded me of something when I took that first sip. And I'm sure it does remind me of something I've had because the distillate there carries over many brands. It can. But they also do some very specific

I was going to say, this one may have been more specific for Bill and Bill Senior. Sure.

But yeah, it's a solid pour. All right. Well, we're going to take a short break, folks. When we come back, we've got two more pours, a lot more talk about whiskies with the word old in the name. I think you'll be surprised at some of the brands we've come up with. Yeah. When we get back, we'll be a little bit older. Yeah. And you're bringing us in, by the way, Todd.

I can do it.

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Welcome back to the Bourbon Road. We're getting ready to jump into the second round of pours and let's go get old.

Oh yeah, the first half was great Todd by the way. I mean it was two phenomenal pours. I think I think you've got a good track record with Dusty's that you don't get a lot of them that have turned on you.

Again, knock on wood. Yeah. I mean, I wish I could buy more and it's probably good I don't, but I get pretty lucky when I've gotten them.

Anyway, great first half, two wonderful pours, but we've got something new in our glass right now.

Yes, we do. This is kind of more of a play on the word old because this is a, uh, this is a pick I did with Jason Chloe and, uh, two guys from the bourbon hunters podcast and Scott, uh, Paige, who's, uh, my bourbon journey, he couldn't make it. So Jason called me and said, Hey, you want to meet and do this pick? And we went to limestone branch in, um, Lebanon, Kentucky. And we got to meet up with Mr. Steven Fonte, one of the. Most interesting, he's one of the most interesting bourbon folks around. I mean, I'd put him right up there with Freddie, um, Bernie lovers. I mean, great storyteller, great storyteller. It's somewhere between Val Kilmer's version of doc holiday and foghorn leghorn. I say, I say. I say, I say. Yeah. But he's a... And like super knowledgeable, but I mean, it's a show when you do it.

He's just a great guy. Yes. He's a great guy. We've had him on the show. We went out to his backyard and sat at his backyard bar and drank through a bunch of the Yellowstone products. Right. But just a good, solid individual. Lots of fun to be around.

Yes. Great storyteller, for sure. Yes, for sure. So I recommend if you ever get a chance, stop by there. There's an off chance he may be there and yeah. And that's not too far from if you're going to maker's mark. Correct. It's right down the road from Bardstown and it's almost basically in the middle, I guess, in between Lawrenceburg and Bardstown.

Yeah.

Maybe a little closer to. Yeah.

It's closer to Campbell'sville and Lebanon. It's in Lebanon actually. Yes. But it's on a, it's on like the Lebanon connector to.

That's right. If you do pass, go pass that it's on in Deloretto. That's right.

Real close. Anyway, it's, it's, it's worth a trip. It's definitely worth the trip.

So I'm not sure the age on this, but when you do a limestone, a Yellowstone pick, you get to try three different barrels at three different barrel proofs. And I think they've actually changed that to four different barrel proofs now. So they've even up their game. I think it's 109, 112, 115, and now they have a 118. So the reason this is with the old group is after we did the tasting and chose a barrel, which oddly enough was a unanimous pick, all four of us chose the same one. And even Stephen Fonte flipped over his notes and said, this is the one. And so it was a unanimous five person pick. So, you know, it takes a while to get your pick ready. And, you know, you go through, they usually go through. one of those retail outlets that ships like seal box or kegan bottle or shared pour. And. So I get surprised and I open up the bottles because I got to preorder a few and because I did the pick and there on the backside of the label is a sticker that Jason's created and it's got my my face on it and it says old Ritter. So Yeah, it's just, I'm surprised that you didn't know in advance. So he just, he may have shown the picture a little early, but yeah, but, but yeah, I mean, it was, it's, it's a really cool, I mean, I was really just honored that he did that. And then funny enough, some very good friends of mine got together and sent me a Christmas present and I have a empty bottle version of that lamp. So an old Ritter lamp. Fantastic. I've tried to rub it for wishes, but nothing yet.

All right. Well, let's check it out. This is actually a barrel pick from Yellowstone.

Yeah. Which you'll find these readily out in the market. I mean, a lot of stores do this pick. And then anytime you're at Limestone, they'll usually have like a kind of an in-house pick. Let's just say it. We're drinking Old Ritter. That's right. Old Ritter. It's a bit of a peanut shell, like a Yeah. Did you say what proof? This is 115.

You chose 115 for this one.

Okay. You know, when, when I do your pores, we usually go with the latter.

Yeah. Fantastic.

Yeah. It does have a nutty, a little bit of a nutty nose to it. And if you ever listen to Mr. Fonte, he will let you know where it's sourced from. by not, he'll tell you by not telling you it's the way. So, you know, he said this, this distillate comes from heaven or something like that. So it kind of gives you a clip. Wow. Peanut brittle.

Peanut brittle. A little bit of a kind of a, on the backside, a little bit of a minty note to it. Okay. But not overly sweet, a little bit more barely nutty kind of.

Yeah, a little more oak on this one.

Yep. Cheers. Cheers. Hope you like it. Oh, that's full of flavor. Yeah, that is.

It was definitely almost as like we liked it because it just kind of like. Jason's a dusty guy too. So it almost had like that eighties old, like, yeah, like a eighties, nineties dusty note. I mean, no dusty nose on the nose, but yeah. Yeah. A little cherry.

Yeah. A little bit of cherry. I think this is, uh, I mean, you've already sort of given it away where it's made, but I definitely think it has those signature notes of heaven hill. And, uh,

Oh, that second step's even better. Yeah. Really good stuff.

And it's one of those, it's a lingerer just sits there for a minute. Now I've had some, I've had some picks from there that I didn't think were kind of my cup of tea. Right. But I've had some that are just blow you away. So there seems to be quite a bit of a difference in the barrel picks. Yes.

And then a lot of variety that goes for probably anyone. I mean, I've had some, You know, everyone's always proud of their pick, but then you compare it to say a pick, another pick, and it might not just stand out.

So do you think Steve stood up some really exceptional barrels for you guys?

I like to think so.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause this is, this is an exceptional pick. I think this is really good. So you mentioned during the break, we, we, we took a little bit of time there to grab a snack and clean our palates a little bit before we started in the second half. You mentioned you have a few of these bottles, but you've got plans for them.

I do. Uh, so usually when you do a pick with Jason and Scott, they'll allow you to, you know, order a few extras. So I ordered, I think. I think I ordered four. I ordered one for a friend because he was not in the club, but he wanted a bottle. And then one for myself, which is open and it's about half full. And then I got two other bottles and those are stashed away. And the goal is to hopefully save those for when my kids get old enough. I can pass them on and I don't know, put some words of wisdom on this. When you're truly old Ritter.

Yeah.

I was going to say I'll be a, maybe I'll take a Sharpie and write very old Ritter. Very old Ritter. Or Pappy Van Ritter or something. Pappy Van Ritter. How old are your children? I have a five-year-old daughter and a seven-year-old son. Okay. So we're talking 15 years. Yeah.

15 years before you're probably giving those bottles away.

Yeah. They won't be dusties quite then.

I think the dusty. What's the rule?

Yeah, it varies, but usually most people say like 20 years. So if you have something bottled, I guess in 2004, it's considered a dusty now.

Okay.

So, I mean, that's kind of why I like it's kind of like, almost like vintage cars.

Yeah. You know, I've heard people say you get the old, uh, you get the old label from the, uh, from the Elijah Craig Barrelproof, you're dusty, but that's not.

No, fantastic bottle, but a great bottle. 2015, 16.

Exactly. Or you find a weller with the wheat leaves on it. Again, not exactly a dusty, but some people call them dusties, won't they?

Yeah. Now, if you get a pre-fire, you're dusty. Yes, you are dusty. And some of those are fantastic.

This is really good, Todd. You guys did a great job on this pick, but you said it was blatantly obvious, this barrel.

It just really stood out. The second place barrel was good, but at this proof, this one just shined.

Now, at Limestone, are they still trickling a small amount of distillate out of that small distill down there?

They are. I haven't been in a while. I mean, we did this pick probably a couple years ago. Yeah. But yeah, I think they're doing like, they do some one-offs and... do some like just internal releases. I've seen some friends that brought bottles to some of the Frankfurt Bourbon Society shares or, you know, just kind of different mash bills and even some finishes and things like that.

That's a very small still they have there. Yes, yes. And when you watch it, the distillate coming off of it, it's kind of a small stream.

Yes, yes. But I keep seeing them like they've just revitalized, like made a larger like tasting area and like, They're very big. They have a cigar smoking area kind of thing. I mean, they really are in the middle of nowhere.

Yeah. I mean, they really are. But they're not that far from Makers. So I guess if people are at Makers Mark and they get finished with the Makers Mark tour and they bring up their phone and say, distillery, they're going to say, oh, there's this one not too far down the road here we can go to.

Yeah. I mean, I highly recommend it. They, I mean, we just, uh, had their, uh, or no, we didn't try the Yellowstone American single malt, did we? But I've heard good things about that. And, uh, they always put out a limited edition, um, which has some older, um, distill it in it usually nine, 10 years and always 101 proof. Um, and, but with different finishes, I think. They've done like Amarone, which is an Italian wine. They've done Madera recently. There was one that was really good and I can't recall what that is, but yeah, they're a fun little small, smallest distillery, probably, you know, throughout the Bourbon trail.

Now does limestone ship out of their distillery as well?

I don't know about that.

Yeah, I don't either.

I follow Stephen Fonte on, uh, on Facebook and he's, he's always on the go. He's a busy guy. Yeah. So, I mean, he's doing the Lord's work for them. And so I know they're distributed in a lot of States.

And that's Stephen beam started then is the man behind that.

He's still the man behind it. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's a kind of on the road between. Lebanon and Campbellsville. Kind of on the, I think it's on the, on the Lebanon bypass actually between Lebanon and Campbellsville. So it's, it's kind of out there out in the middle of nowhere, but it's worth the drive. Definitely for sure. Good stuff. So let's talk about, we talked about middle and upper shelf olds.

Where are most of the old? Are they enough? They're on the bottom.

And you know, it's a funny thing that they are, but let's talk about a few of those. And we've got a number of them lined up on the bar here. They're not all bottom shelfers, but some of them are. And I'm just going to start out with Old Crow. Old Crow, which used to be some of the finest whiskey on the planet.

And we talked about it in the first half.

We did.

A Baldwin Bond from the forties that was Maybe one of the best pours I've had.

Yeah. But today, what you find in the old crow bottle, you can get it in a plastic bottle with a screw-on cap and it's less than acceptable, I should say. It's rough. It's rough. Now Rob Carter will argue the point that he'll take a pour of that in a bar because of the price.

I usually will have a pour of that with a cousin that comes into town sometimes because my grandfather worked at Old Crow. So it's just kind of like when we get together, we have a pour of Old Crow. Well, it's more like I usually try to drink it fast and get rid of it kind of thing.

I'll go to the barrel room sometimes and Rob will be in there and I'll say, what are you drinking? He's sitting there with a pour of bourbon. What are you drinking? He said, Old Crow. Hey, it's $3 a pour or something like that. So can't beat it.

No, I mean, I wouldn't make it if somebody wasn't buying it.

Yeah. I think it's more suitable for, um, Mixing and cooking.

Probably large volume or something. Like if you're going to make some maybe bourbon slushie.

Yeah.

Or something like that.

You're going to make some bourbon slushies if you're going to make some chili or barbecue. If you need to cook off with bourbon somehow in your recipe, it's good for that. But definitely old crow in a Coke is probably fine, I think. It's just a shame.

It's like one of those like, bourbons that people clamor for them to like kind of revitalize and bring back something, you know.

They may do it someday, but it'll be, it won't be with the traditional old crow to be some elevated old crow, old crow reserve or something like that.

Actually, they had an old crow reserve. I remember it had like a dark label. Yeah. I don't know how long that was released, but yeah, it was pretty yucky too. I do remember that because I was like, Hey, let's try that one.

And one that's, uh, that's probably on the same, uh, playing field as the old crow is the old charter charter. Yes. Uh, again, definitely at the very bottom shelf, Buffalo trace, Buffalo trace. It's going to cost you somewhere around $13 a bottle, $12 a bottle. I think the old crows in the same range, 12 or $13 a bottle. Um, Old Fitzgerald Prime, which is a weeded whiskey, a weeded bourbon, but it is definitely not the same as the old Fitz bonded. This is going to be a little younger, just yet. It's probably a straight, although I'm not, well, maybe it's not a straight. Yeah, I'm not for sure. We got a bottle here. We can check it out later. Right. Or one of, one of our listeners could be like, yep, it's a straight. But there are a few bonded olds. Yes, O'Grandad. O'Grandad Bonded. Yes. Which is a great whiskey. Yes. For the price. And O'Grandad Bonded is about $20, $22 a bottle, I think. Probably so. Which is fair.

And then I would even argue that that O'Grandad 114 proof is probably one of the best deals in bourbon.

Yeah. And that's around $32, I think, for that one. Again, a good deal. Yeah. Old Bardstown, how to will it.

I've not had that in years. I actually have a dusty bottle that's probably 80s, but I haven't opened it yet. And I'm not sure I've ever had the old Bardstown, so I don't know much about that one.

It's good. I can call that one out with my eyes closed. It's a bonded. Willet whiskey, a hundred proof, four years old. It's good, but it is clearly got that Willet bite. No doubt. You know what I'm talking about? That distinctive Willet bite that you get from Willet whiskey is that nobody else has.

Let's see. Oh, Taylor. Old Taylor. Yep.

Another one that, uh, he's got the, his face on the label and typically a lot of people probably screamed and ran and grabbed that bottle, not realizing what it was. They were getting themselves an old, a Taylor, but they're not.

Right.

It's definitely not.

Yeah. There is a difference between those tailors for sure.

Um, let's see.

Any others?

Um, I won't call this one a bottom shell for, uh, this one, we probably should have mentioned in the middle shelfers old tub tub. Yeah. Yep.

Also that's beam. Correct. That's beam. Yes.

That used to be, well, back when old tub was a thing that you, that used to be Booker's. That was his drink. That's what he liked. That's what he drank every day. But this, this old tub is not that old tub. I don't think. But oh, Todd's pretty good. Yep. Very old Barton.

Oh, yeah.

I forgot all about that.

I did too. I had that one written down on a different list. Very old Barton.

All right, folks. Well, we have probably missed just a few of those middle to bottom shelfers. I'm sure there are some others out there.

But it's a pretty good rundown of them, though.

Yeah. All right. Well, I'm going to keep thinking while we're moving on to the next whiskey. And if I can come up with some others, I'll cue them up so we can talk about them after the next pour.

Okay. So pour four, you know, everybody knows Jim's a right guy. So keeping with the old theme, I brought in an old overhaul 10-year cask proof. This retails for about $99 bottle, I guess. It's a Jim Beam product. I think it's, I forgot to write the proof, 121 proof, give or take. It's probably one of my favorite older ryes I've had in a long time.

So a 10 year old rye. Now old Overholt has always been like a staple. It's a very old brand. Yes, it is.

one of the longest running whiskey brands. It is the, sorry, it is the longest whiskey running brand. So this one has never been out of production. May have, I think, may have ceased. I don't know. I think there's medicinal bottles out there. It's been around since like 1810. Originally distilled in Pennsylvania. And then, you know, how things go, things slow down and you know, you got to that point where there just weren't that many distillers that I guess Jim Beam bought it. I'm not sure the year on that, but, um, this is a 80% rye and 20% barley. So high, a very high rye for, um, so that Pennsylvania style.

Right. And there's some old overhauled Dusty's out there. Yes.

I heard they're fantastic.

Wow. This has a wonderful nose on it. Something unique about it. It must be that barley. And I figure we finish on a rack because I know how to take care of Jim. Fantastic.

Thank you, sir. Yeah. Little man. Yeah, definitely for sure. Almost like a big red gum thing too, which is weird.

I was going to say there's a little juicy fruit in there, but yeah, big red, all three gums wadded, all the gums wadded together. Some, maybe some double bubble.

Yeah.

No, they grew quite there, but yeah, but it does have a little bit of a fruity note to it. Yeah. They could tell this is not just your everyday old overhaul. Cheers. Cheers. Yeah, it's got a spice punch to it. It's really good. A little bit of a, I want to say a green note to it, but I don't know how to, I don't know how to verbalize that. It's green and herbal. Like a, almost like a mint leaf, like you're chewing on a mint leaf. But it's not super minty. It's more, uh, more rice spice. I know it's got that, it's got that like, um, bitter green leaf kind of flavor to it. I don't know what that is. I don't know. I'll keep sipping until I get to that. Uh, you probably won't. It's probably just me having a moment.

That is a really good right whiskey.

Yeah. So tell me a little bit more about this. This was, this is a hundred dollar bottle more or less. Yes. Not really available any longer.

Uh, I mean somewhere in the dark corners of America, they may be still some on the shelf and I pretty sure it's going to be a offered. I don't know if the batches will be like batches or yearly batches or something, but I mean, Widely distributed. One can hope. I mean, it's Jim Beam, so surely they dropped quite a few bottles out there and we can only hope they continue.

They are doing a little bit more with Rye nowadays than they used to.

If you think about Overholt was just that one bottle forever and then they came out with a A hundred proofer and I think there's like a, even maybe a one 14 proof or something.

Yeah.

And now, yeah, 10 year cast. So you got to think. at some point you might even see like a 15 year, they set a few special barrels back or something.

Yeah. Let's talk about rise in general. So rise did gain popularity. They rode rise road, the bourbon coattails kind of on the way, on the way up the charts. Right. And, uh, because those of us who like a little extra spice, can easily migrate from bourbons to ryes and be in a happy place. That's me. I'm always in a happy place when I'm drinking a rye. They're not bourbons. They are American whiskeys. They are kind of the original American whiskey.

Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, for sure.

You know, when settlers came to the U.S., well, it wasn't the U.S. at the time, when the settlers came to the Americas, rye was what you had to distill with. Right.

Especially like up in the Northeast colonies and such, like Pennsylvania. Yep.

Massachusetts and Vermont.

Grew a lot better than the corn did.

And George Washington had one of the earlier distilleries in the 1700s.

Known for his rye, yeah.

Produced some pretty good rye back then. I'm not a big fan of the George Washington rye today. It's okay, sorta, kinda, but I don't know.

It just, you've had it? I have not had that, but funny enough, our bourbon society, we did kind of a knockoff that's aging at whiskey thief distilling. Yeah. Longtime listeners know we talk about some of our own barrels that we have there. And I think it's probably hitting about three years and I just tried it recently and pretty good. I like it. It's kind of fruitier. Um, but yeah, I mean, I think we're going to let it ride for a couple, you know, at least two or three more years, probably.

Well, some of my favorite moonshines are right. Right moonshines. So I guess, you know, it can be really good. I just. I got some of the, the, the split out of the George Washington distillery in, I don't know.

They released it pretty early though. It's like a couple of years, right? So it'd be interesting to know. I mean, maybe they just don't do the volume to set some back or something.

Well, I mean, traditionally it was white. It was a white spirit, right? Back in those days, they didn't age it at all. I mean, they threw it in a barrel only to get it cross country, but not to age it.

And if you never tried it, I think Rye distillate is far more fascinating than like your bourbon distillate. I think so too. It's really interesting.

Yeah.

It can be if it's really good distillate.

Somebody who knows their craft. white dog can be amazing. Agreed. It can be amazing. But you really have to, and that's a whole thing we talked about. I think we talked about doing a show on an aged distilled.

Yeah.

And trying to educate the listeners a little bit on how to taste it and identify, you know, But it, it, it takes a special skill to drink an aged distillate and know if it's good or not.

Right. I just kind of like it.

I like the, the hot buttery popcorn sometimes. And, uh, it's just amazing. And then some of the rye distillate is, uh, is just phenomenal.

I did a tour of, oh, uh, Bardstown Distilling Company and before they even released their, uh, their, uh, their bourbon and their rye and their weeded bourbon. And like on the tour was there distill it for all three of those. And I was like just floored. So, I mean, you always hope if you have a good distill, it's going to lead to. It's a good release, good bourbons, good rise, good weeded. And I think so.

So I was sitting here and looking over at the shelf over there and I noticed another whiskey with the word old on it. But it has nothing to do with the whiskey being old. It's called my old Kentucky home. And, uh, well, that's an honorable mention to my old Kentucky home.

And then there's some, um, you know, just, Looking up old, old base distilleries, there's a few that are, the craft, craft scene is kind of picked up on the old, there's like old fourth. We talked about old Portrero out of California, old fourth is... Or is that Virginia?

Yeah, we had some old fourth over at Robs. Old hillside? Old hillside. Yeah. Yeah. I had some old hillside at the new bar in Shelbyville. They've got old hillside there. Last stop, it's a new place in Shelbyville. So if you're in Shelbyville and need something other than the barrel room, we don't have a lot of choices, but need something other than the barrel room, old stop's a good place to go.

You and I recently, with Amzie and Rob, tried Old Line out of Maryland. They seemed to be focused on single malts. And I actually saw where they just released a cognac-finished single malt, which sounded intriguing. It sounded intriguing because I liked that malt a lot. Old Dominic at Memphis. Old Dominic. Alex Castle did leave Old Dominic. Yeah, she's moved on to Old Route 8's place, Augusta Distilling. Yeah. The world of distilling and the circles they move in.

Fantastic. She's out of Baghdad, Kentucky, right? That's her original home turf.

Is it really?

Yep. She grew up in Baghdad.

And then I think we mentioned Opepper, but it's fairly young and kind of crafty. And then I saw one old Hamer, H-A-M-E-R. Hamer, old Hamer. Not hammer, but Hamer.

You did your research here. You got more on the list?

I tried to come prepared. I have old Quaker. We didn't really talk about that one, which is an old, old label. It's a Pennsylvania label, obviously. It's one of those that kind of. Kind of similar to probably that Lewis Hunter just kind of was a label back in the day and then just kind of got put on the back shelf. I know I think that was another one that was bought by probably Seagrams and maybe moved to Shinley. I know I actually have a bottle that's Shinley. It's an old Quaker, but let's see anything else. Old scout. Did we talk about that?

Yeah. We did talk about, now they have an American whiskey. They have a ride. They have a bourbon. They have a number of things, but I think that's it. I think we. Yeah. We also have, uh, so my blend that I submitted to Jason's bourbon, it's old, old hoot. Oh dude. That's right. I forgot about that, but that's, uh, neither here nor there. There's probably about six ounces of that left.

I've actually had that. Yeah. It was a part of my prize for coming in second in your blending contest. Yeah. Lots of fun. Yeah.

All right.

Well, it's been a great show. Been fun.

Yeah. We certainly appreciate you coming across town. I guess we're not too far away. 30 minutes. 30 minutes. Yeah. And visiting the Bourbon Road Bar and hanging out with us. Bringing your whiskeys, sharing your whiskeys with us, sharing your stories with our listeners. It's always a blast to have you on the show. Thank you.

Well, how can people find Todd Ritter? Best way to find me is usually on the Bourbon Rody page. Like I said, I'll post some fun pictures of the old Lewis Hunter distillery here soon. And, you know, sometimes I'll chime in on people's posts and I try to stay kind of active in that. And other than that, I'm just Todd Ritter on Facebook. And then I have a Instagram page where sometimes if I get the time, I'll post something I'm drinking, something unique, something fun, or I'm sharing with somebody and it's called The Dripping Barrel on Instagram.

And some of the other media outlets that you show up on, you don't just do the Bourbon Road, sometimes you're on other shows.

Yes. So sometimes I'm on a show called Hello Again Whiskey Friends, which is a whiskey channel on YouTube. I'm also in the final four of Dusty Dan's blind content or like it's like we're tasting whiskeys and bourbons blind and so it's like I'm paired up with someone I didn't know until this started. We just kind of like random draw for partners. Yeah. So we're in the final four and actually this will We'll see if I get to the finals because the next round for me is actually Monday night. So we're recording this on a Sunday, so we'll see. All right. And I can find that on what? Dusty Dan's whiskey reviews. It's also on YouTube. And he's also just a, he's a great guy. He's been on the show a few times. Does a lot of nice reviews on the whiskey channel and our friends. Hello again, whiskey friends. They do some fun blinds and they've had a, They've actually interviewed Diane and myself for about bourbon on the banks and they're just good buddies. I mean, there's a, it's a really fun whiskey community out there on, on whiskey tube.

And you're tight with Jason and Scott mash and journey. Yes. Great guys. Mash and drum reviews.

And then my bourbon journey. Correct. Together the mash and journey. They do a lot of picks. A lot of picks. A lot of live YouTube shows where you can chime in and tell them what you're drinking or ask questions. They'll have guests on sometimes. And other times a lot of reviews, like Jason gets bottles to, you know, try and check out. He's got an outstanding palette, probably one of the best in the biz, I think. And our, uh, our palettes kind of match up. He likes a certain things and usually fall suit and they do some, yeah, I've been lucky enough to go on some barrel picks with them. So.

One of which was Old Ritter.

Yeah, Old Ritter.

All right. Well, thanks again, Todd. My pleasure. All right, folks. Well, you can find The Bourbon Road on all social media outlets. You can find us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, threads, TikTok, pretty much all of them. We do a show every single week on Wednesdays. You'll hear us talking about whiskey. Well, sometimes we'll have a guest on. Sometimes it'll just be a few of us sitting around having a theme show like we did today. It's always fun. We're always laughing. We're always drinking great whiskeys. We hope you'll check out every single week. The best way to make sure you don't miss one is to go to the top of that app you're listening to us on, hit that subscribe button. So the next time we release a show, you'll get that notification and you can check in and find out what's going on in the Bourbon Road. But until the next time, we'll see you down the Bourbon Road.

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